Kegel Exercises For Men – My Complete Guide

If you suffer from premature ejaculation, kegel exercises are one of the classic ways you can develop better control during sex.

In some ways, they can work really well. There’s no doubt that strengthening your pelvic floor muscles can give some men the ability to temporarily hold back ejaculation.

But there’s an essential point that I feel is worth mentioning right at the start: it’s just as important to learn when to do them during sex as how to practice them in your own time.

I know from my personal experience, and from the hundreds of comments and emails I get about kegels on this site, that kegels are effective – but only if done correctly.

The 2 key points to understand about kegels

I’m going to quickly share 2 key points for those that are put off by the size of this article. So even if you choose to skip all the details below, understanding the next 2 points will help you a lot:

  • Don’t do kegel squeezes, pumps or contractions continuously during sex. Yes, it can help you get a bigger erection, but it can also make you ejaculate quicker.
  • Only do the strong kegel hold if you feel you’re close to ejaculating, and you want to block it. Once the feeling passes, try to keep the muscles relaxed during sex.

Get those 2 points right, and you’ve won half the battle. Now let’s take a few steps back and take a look at the why and how to do kegels.

Background information

What are Kegel exercises?

Kegel exercises are the act of intentionally tensing or relaxing the muscles of the pelvic floor, which is why they are often referred to as pelvic floor exercises.

pelvic floor muscles

It’s somewhat confusing to understand, but there are three main muscles involved:

  • Pubococcygeus muscle (PC)
  • Bulbocavernosus muscle (BC)
  • Iliococcygeus muscle (IC)

Some online articles only talk about the PC muscle, but it’s actually the BC muscle at the base of your penis which is most important for ejaculation control.

At first, it may just seem like one large and weak muscle group, and that’s totally normal when you start out. In time you’ll get better at pinpointing different muscles rather than the entire pelvic floor.

How do I know if I’m using the right muscles?

Everyone knows how to flex their biceps or pecs. But tensing your PC or BC muscle isn’t something you can do in front of the mirror, and the visible results are much more subtle.

The easiest explanation is that the muscle you use is the same as the one you use when stopping yourself from urinating mid-flow.

So next time you go to the toilet, try to mentally squeeze the muscle at the base of your penis to stop the flow. If you can do it, or even just reduce the flow, you’ve found the right muscle.

If this still doesn’t make sense, there are other ways to be sure you’re using the right muscle. Take a quick look at my article about locating your pelvic floor muscles if you need to.

Aren’t there different types of kegels?

When you see my weekly plan below, you’ll notice there are different types of kegel exercises. You still use the same muscle, but just training it in different ways, for example:

  • Quick pumps or squeezes – when you contract or squeeze the muscle fast and then release. You can then do lots of these in quick succession.
  • Holds – contract the muscles and don’t let go for a certain amount of time.
  • Reverse kegels – instead of contracting, you actively relax. It’s almost like the pushing feeling you would have when squeezing out urine, or even a number two. More on that later.

When, where, how often and how many to do?

Some people say you can do as many kegels as you like. I don’t agree with that though. Yes, you can do kegels in any place you feel comfortable, though it’s best to start in a private space.

But the important thing to remember is that they aren’t that different from other muscles; if you push them too hard, you can end up with tense or sore muscles.

When I first started doing kegels, I wasn’t told this and did them in vast quantities. And although I didn’t have any problems, some people have written to me saying that they did too many after reading other websites and now feel tight or sore.

For this reason it’s best to start out doing them every other day. Once you’ve built some strength and tone you can do them more often. But even then you should always rest at least 1 or 2 days a week.

And there’s no need to do thousands of them every session. You wouldn’t do that to your arms or chest, so there’s no need here either.

When do you do kegels during sex?

Kegels are in fact a ‘last line of defense’ to hold back ejaculation. If you feel yourself getting too aroused, or reaching the point of no return, ideally you should take some other action, like changing positions or rhythm.

But if you don’t take action quickly enough, or you’re taken by surprise by your own arousal, then doing a kegel squeeze can help stop you ejaculating.

Then once your arousal subsides a little, you can rest, change positions or do whatever else you need to recover. Kegels are therefore not a single solution to premature ejaculation.

In fact, during sex you should be doing the opposite of the strong kegel hold: you should try to keep those muscles relaxed. That’s why it’s important to balance your exercise routine with reverse kegels and relaxation in general.

The key is to develop a balanced control of your pelvic floor muscles.


My kegel exercises routine

As long as you don’t overdo it, I think you can make your own routine up. But the following routine comes from my personal practice, and is based on a combination of experience and research.

If you feel the routine is too hard, just reduce the sets and times to suit you and build up slowly. You may also find it helpful to speak to a medical profession first, especially if you have any medical conditions. Ask them if doing pelvic floor exercises will be safe for you.

Finally, in the exercises I refer to just the BC muscle, because it’s the one most involved in ejaculation control at the point of no return.

However, when starting out it’s fine to think of the whole pelvic floor as one muscle group if you struggle to isolate that muscle. Even if you’re also contracting the PC muscle, it doesn’t matter as it will help strengthen your pelvic floor as a whole.

 A) Practicing kegel exercises when flaccid

I recommend spending 2 to 3 weeks only practicing kegel exercises when flaccid. You don’t need to try them during masturbation or sex until you’ve done some groundwork.

Note: a reader asked about the word ‘squeeze’ which I use in the routine. You don’t squeeze with your hand, but you squeeze/contract/tighten the muscle using mental control.

Week 1

Do this kegel routine every other day:

  • Squeeze the BC muscle for 1 second and then release. Try to relax for a second when you release. Do this 10 times in a row.
  • Rest for 30 seconds. During this, and every other rest, try to relax the BC muscle and your whole body.
  • Do this first set 5 times. So you do 5 sets of 10 quick squeezes or pumps with 30 second rests.
  • Squeeze and hold for 5 seconds.
  • Rest for 15 seconds.
  • Repeat that step 4 more times. So you do 5 sets of 5 second holds.
  • Squeeze and hold for 10 seconds if you can.
  • Rest for 30 seconds.
  • Repeat that step twice more. So you do 3 sets of 10 second holds.

Week 2

Again, you can do this routine every other day:

  • Do a kegel hold for 1 second, 15 times in a row.
  • Rest for 20 seconds.
  • Repeat those steps 4 more times.
  • Squeeze the BC muscle for 5 seconds, followed by a 15 second rest. Then repeat 5 times.
  • Squeeze and hold for 10 seconds. Rest for 30 seconds then repeat twice.
  • Do quick 1 second kegels 30 times. Rest for 30 seconds and then repeat twice.
  • Squeeze and try to hold the kegel for 30 seconds continuously. Rest and then try again twice more. If you can’t manage 30 seconds, just hold it for as long as you can comfortably.

Week 3

As before, you can do this routine every second day. In between each of these steps you can rest for 30 seconds.

  • Perform a fast kegel squeeze, or pump, 20 times. Repeat this 3 times with a 30 second break between each set.
  • Do a strong kegel squeeze for 5 seconds, 10 times in a row. Try to relax completely for 5 seconds between each 5 second squeeze.
  • Squeeze for 10 seconds, 5 times in a row. Relax for 10 seconds in between each squeeze.
  • Squeeze and hold for 20 seconds, followed by a 10 second rest. Repeat once.
  • Squeeze and hold for 40 seconds, followed by a 20 second rest.
  • Squeeze and hold for 60 seconds, then relax completely.

Week 4 onwards

After 2 or 3 weeks of kegeling every other day, you should have a clear idea of where you’re at. If you found a particular week too difficult, you can repeat it or go back to the week before.

If you made it through and are starting to feel some control, you can get creative and mix your kegel exercise routine up. Maybe one day copy the idea of the first week, then the second practice day use the format from the third week.

You can add length of time to sets, and you can increase the number to complete during the fast ones. It’s really up to you, and muscles generally respond better to variety.

B) Doing kegel exercises with an erection

After 2 to 3 weeks of practice when flaccid you can try to do kegels with an erection once or twice a week either instead of, or as well as, the normal practice. Your main kegel routine should still be done when flaccid, even once you’ve been doing it for a long time.

You can practice similar movements as you did before, but with an erection. It’s up to you how many you do exactly and it will partly depend on your ability to maintain an erection while kegeling.

You can do a couple of sets of 10 to 30 fast pumps, followed by a couple of longer holds of 30 seconds. Then try for a minute if you can.

The main use of the strong kegel hold is stopping yourself from ejaculating during sex. And in my experience, this usually only requires a strong hold of 10 to 20 seconds, maybe a little longer sometimes.

So there’s no need to train yourself to hold it for longer than a minute. If you can do a strong hold for a minute, then you’re probably way beyond what you’d ever actually need to do.

Safety points to consider

1. If you start to feel tense or sore during or after doing kegels exercise, take time off to let your pelvic floor muscles recover.

2. If you have problems getting or maintaining an erection after you start doing kegel exercises, stop doing them. It’s probably a sign you’ve either done too much, or done them incorrectly. So rest for a week or two and see if the problem resolves.

3. Don’t hold the squeeze too tight or you could strain the muscle. It should be tight enough to engage the kegel muscles, but not so tight it takes serious effort and feels uncomfortable.

4. Don’t forget to relax in between sets. This is an important part of getting the pelvic floor muscles balanced. The aim isn’t pure muscle strength, but a balance between strength, tone, control and the ability to relax the muscles at will.


Part 3: Putting it all together

Testing out your hard work

Once you’re confident that you can hold a kegel squeeze comfortably for 30 seconds, it’s time to see if you can hold back ejaculation during masturbation.

You need to have a good understanding of where your point of no return is to be successful. If you do it too early or too late then it won’t work. This can take some practice!

The idea is not to simply keep going whilst holding a kegel and hope you don’t ejaculate. Instead, you should build yourself up to the point where you would ejaculate if you didn’t do the kegel squeezing motion.

As you reach that point, stop what you’re doing and do a kegel squeeze until your arousal level drops down. Getting the timing right is half of the battle; no matter how well trained your muscles are, if you time it wrong, it won’t work.

And then of course if you have a partner, you can try it with them. It may help to ask them to work with you to start with. If you’ve done the start and stop method together already, then this is just another tool to add to that. If you haven’t, I recommend starting now.

What about advanced and reverse kegels?

Some websites and guides say that you should work on isolating those various pelvic floor muscles with advanced kegel exercises.

My personal opinion is that there’s no need to stress about developing a perfect ability to isolate them. As long as you’re doing your kegel holds with the same muscle you use to stop yourself peeing, you’ll be fine.

Reverse Kegels are arguably more important to learn. The main concept is that keeping the pelvic floor muscles relaxed during sex is better than tensing them endlessly. And reverse kegels can be a very effective way of helping you achieve that relaxation.

In my experience, reverse kegels are considerably harder to master than normal kegels. But I’ve had some great success when doing them during sex to help keep my arousal level in check.

Read more: my tips for lasting longer

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  1. Hi,
    Great article, thank you.
    I noticed something when practicing reverse kegels during masturbation that seems to be involved in my inability to keep the bc relaxed…
    As soon as i touch the tip of my penis, when really aroused, the bc contracts automatically, like a reflex…any advise on how to maintain it relaxed?

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi T
      You’re welcome! To be honest, I’m really not sure what you could do to change that. I’d just say to keep practicing really. Perhaps use lubricant to see if the reflex is because of friction or sensitivity?
      Ethan

  2. Ethan, thanks very much for the very thorough information. I am a 60 year old man who is hoping that kegels will help with my issue which is not premature ejaculation. I have almost no ejaculate when I orgasm. I have also occasionally had an issue with dribbling on the way to urinate, especially if I wait too long. Is doing kegels likely to help me with these things?

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Rick
      You’re welcome. I don’t know if it can help with increasing the quantity of semen, but it can help with dribbling urine.
      Ethan

  3. Hi Ethan,

    What do you think about the bridge exercise? Is it worth doing? If so, how many repetitions do you recommend?

    Thank for the great article.

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Carl
      Glad you liked the article. I’m a big fan of yoga, so I’d say any exercise which can strengthen the pelvic floor is worth doing. That’s actually a great point, and something I should add to the site – thanks!
      Ethan

  4. Hey! I love your routine, I’ve been doing it for a while, I’m good at reverse Kegels as well, I even went a little bit further so I can even hold the squeeze for more than a minute, so my question is, I usually train 3 days a week every other day (m/t/f) as you recommend, but I want to know if I can or should be doing this more times a week, maybe 5 days a week and rest on weekend? Thanks for the awesome guide btw, and for keeping the q&a active (:

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Antonio
      Thanks for the comment – it’s always uplifting to know readers appreciate the article and endless comments!
      Personally, I would just stick with fewer days. Men do sometimes have issues because of doing too much kegels, so my opinion is to take it easy and just build the control slowly but surely.
      Ethan

      1. Thank you very much (: by the way, do you have a guide about jelqing? Do you recommend it?

        1. Ethan Green

          Hi Antonio
          You’re welcome! I don’t have a guide about jelqing, sorry. I’m hesitant to write about it because after all the research and personal testing I’ve done for penis enlargement, it just doesn’t seem like there’s a guaranteed successful technique – including jelqing. From what I can tell, it’s unlikely to cause much harm, but I’m more into helping men accept the way they are than spend months bashing their own penis abut in the hope it grows a cm!
          Ethan

  5. Hi
    Why I should not train Kegels and reverse Kegels during erection?
    I will use Kegels during erection (sex). That’s why I think train Kegels during erection.
    Please explain
    Regards

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Rafal
      In the article, I recommend starting with flaccid practice and then moving on to erect practice. Personally, I just think it’s safer to build the muscles when flaccid to start with.
      Ethan

  6. Hi Ethan
    I am thinking of starting your routine but should i only do this one once a day?

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi M
      Yes, at the most. I think it’s good to have rest days during the week – just like any other muscles of the body that you are training. I don’t think it’s necessary, or healthy, to do them multiple times per day.
      Ethan

  7. paul7979

    Hi Ethan, very good article.. any suggestions as far as an erected kegel routine goes ? Any clues on how to keep the erection during the exercise.

    thanks

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Paul
      Thanks! Personally, I don’t think there’s a need to do an erected routine. When erect, it’s time to practice the actual technique in the moment, either when masturbating or having sex. I’d leave the actual muscle training part for flaccid times.
      Ethan

  8. I plan on starting Kegels exercises this week and I want to know if ejaculation or having sex affects it. In the same sense that if I did leg day at the gym I wouldn’t go hiking right afterward, or even the next 1-2 days.

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi C
      No, I don’t think it’s an issue – at least not that I’ve heard of. But if you do start feeling any soreness or tightness in the area, just go easy on the kegels.
      Ethan

  9. Anonymous

    Very nice article, thanks for the help! – One question for you:

    For me, it’s very hard to isolate the pelvic floor muscle. The two ways I’ve heard of contracting it is by holding back pee and holding back a fart. I can do both, but only when it’s actually happening. So, for me, I’ve been able to consistently do it on the toilet after I poop.

    Is this actually targeting the pelvic floor muscle that adheres to these premature ejaculation benefits? Because both methods feel kind of different, I hope I’m not just doing this hold my poop in all for no reason.

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi there
      Nice to know you liked the article!
      I think it’s a good idea not to keep practicing on the toilet. It’s only good to do that a couple of times to get an idea of the muscles. When you practice, it’s better done sitting somewhere comfortable or lying on the bed.
      And I would focus more on the same muscles used for holding back pee.
      Ethan

  10. Does anyone feel sore when doing kegel exercises because I do not feel anything?

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Chris
      Yes, some men do end up feeling sore. It’s usually a sign of doing too many, or doing them too hard.
      Ethan

  11. Should this be done standing up or laying down? Straight-legged or more of a relaxed open leg butterfly “stretch” type position?

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Stan
      I think sitting or lying down works best. I don’t think the leg position is so important, but probably better in a normal kind of position you might be in when you have sex – which most likely isn’t a butterfly stretch.
      Ethan

  12. One last question. During sex or masturbation when you try to stop yourself from ejaculating and happen to stop it, but precum comes out. Is your PC muscle still strong or just weak?

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Zack
      It could just be that you left it too late to stop yourself. And some men do just leak more pre-cum than others, so it might be that you have some leakage even before you get to the point of ejaculation.
      Ethan

  13. I just wanted to know if its still important to work out the PC muscle( the one around the rectum) not just the Bc muscle.
    Thank you.

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Zack
      Tricky question to answer if I’m honest. My personal opinion is that it’s not necessary really. But if it’s exercised at the same time as the BC muscle naturally, I don’t think it’s an issue.
      Ethan

  14. The comments have me a bit confused. Should I be kegeling the bc or pc? Many of the comments say bc.

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Rick
      Ideally the BC muscle. But to be honest, the name of the muscle isn’t so important, and people use different terms all the time (myself included if you look into past comments!). The main thing is to understand how the muscle feels when you do kegels. If you can stop yourself peeing, it’s that muscle, same if you can make your erection lift upwards when you stand up.
      Ethan

  15. Hi Ethan

    My reason for wanting to do the kegles is to have stronger erections for longer. I find it’s more difficult as I get older. I’m now 59. I am very fit and eat very healthy food.
    Will the kegles make a significant difference as suggested by numerous online articles ?

    Dave

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Dave
      I think they can help, yes. I’ve noticed personally that if I have an erection and do a strong kegel pump, it can help it to stay erect. And if it’s at full strength, a kegel hold always seems to give it just that little extra. However, getting to the point of being able to do that, and without overtraining and causing yourself problems, takes some time, patience and dedication. My advice is to try it, take it easy and don’t go crazy doing kegels all day every day, and little by little you’ll hopefully see some improvements.
      Ethan

  16. I have been doing these exercises for about 2 months now. I still have issues with controlling ejaculation. I have friends that brag they last up to 30 minutes while I’m lucky to last even 2 minutes. This has been an issue for a long time. I’ve done the start and stop but they tell me they don’t even stop they have that much control. Am I doing something wrong??

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Rob
      First of all, I wouldn’t listen to your friends. Maybe one or two last that long, but I doubt all your friends do! Have you been making improvements at all though? The start and stop technique can take time to really pay off – a couple of months might see some results, but you might need to do it for longer still. And have you tried any other techniques at all?
      Ethan

  17. This exercise help in neurological bladder plz tell me am i’m doing every day last 1 month….

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi RB
      I’m not sure what you mean by ‘neurological bladder’, but if you mean can it help with bladder control, then yes it’s supposed to help.
      Ethan

  18. Hello Ethan, I’m having trouble holding the PC muscles squeezed, I can do them continuously, but just can’t hold. Is it because I need that much strengthening in those muscles, or is purely mental?

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Jasper
      It’s probably just that you need a bit more practice. Don’t overdo it, but keep trying and in time your control should get better.
      Ethan

  19. Hi Ethen
    Should I train while standing, sitting or lying?
    Which position is the best?
    Best Regard,
    Rafal

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Rafal
      Sitting or lying is best – and either is fine. I wouldn’t do it when standing apart from to do the stopping urine test initially, or to test by moving your erection up and down. But other than that, I would always practice sitting or lying.
      Ethan

  20. Hello Ethan

    Thanks for sharing this information. I’ve been some through some other articles and they also mention that erections are harder after having practiced enough kegels… this means your penis is harder during the erection or the way the erection is maintained changes?

    Thanks!

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Esteben
      You’re welcome. I think it’s a bit of both. You can learn to pump more blood into the penis by doing kegel squeezes. And also keep it there for longer if you feel you’re losing the erection. But I don’t advise continually pumping, as that can lead to quicker ejaculation. It’s a fine balance you need to work out!
      Ethan

  21. HI
    I need some clarification. How can hold pc muscle. With help of hand or by my mind control(without hand). I am confusiongoing.please clarify.
    Thanks

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Raj
      It’s all through mind control. You never need to touch your pelvic floor with your hands when doing any kind of kegels. The only exception would be if you want to physically feel if anything is moving when you do them.
      Ethan

  22. When contracting PC muscle ,does our BC muscle contracts simultaneously? If not then kindly mention how to squeeze BC muscle. Thanks

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Sheeraz
      Yes, it’s virtually impossible to completely isolate the muscles. So even if you’re able to focus mainly on one, it will still engage the other to a certain extent. A good way to work on identifying the BC muscle is the technique where you stand with an erection and try to make it ‘bounce’ or rise just using your muscle control of the base of the penis.
      Ethan

  23. Hey Ethan,
    thanks a lot for the informative article, its great!
    I’ve done the kegel exercises for some time now and in the last few weeks I tried to squeeze a little harder and now I have problems maintaining an (hard) erection. Is it possible that I damaged my muscles (no pain at all)? For how long should I rest, what do you suggest? Did it happen to you, too?
    Greets,
    Nick

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Nick
      You’re welcome, I’m pleased you liked the article. I’ve never had an issue like that because I’ve never tried to kegel too hard and I’ve always done them in moderation. So although I can empathize, I can’t talk from experience about how long it takes to recover from doing too many. What I will say though is that perhaps see it like any other muscles – if you overdo it, you need to completely rest until they recover. How long that is, I can’t say. But when you do recover, take it easy with the kegels! And if there’s no improvement in a couple of weeks, you might want to talk to your doctor.
      Ethan

  24. This is the most informative article about kegels I’ve read. Thank you for writing it and giving it for free!

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Ed
      Thanks for your compliment, and you’re very welcome. I hope it helps you master them:-)
      Ethan

  25. hii .I do three to four times a weak .n I felt I m iproving my exercise ability ..but confuse about the proper position to perform ..I usually do kegel while sitting it makes me comfortable ..is my position ryt ?? thnx

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Syed
      Yes, it’s fine to do them while sitting. But you can also try while lying down if you like.
      Ethan

  26. Hi Ethen Green,

    Thanks for the informative pages about kegel.
    Regarding the kegel, I have one concern that I hope you can help me with. To me, I feel like mentally holding the BC for any period of time, e.g., 3 seconds, is impossible. I mean I can mentally squeeze/contract the BC, but then the BC is automatically released that I feel like I cannot release it myself at will. In another word, the release seems all automatic, not something that can be controlled by will. I do not know if that is what really it is and I think I need your advice and opinion regarding this problem.

    I’m looking forwards to your reply soon.
    Best Regard,
    -Aiden

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Aiden
      You’re very welcome! It seems most likely to me that you just need to keep practicing to develop the control needed to hold it for longer. How long have you been practicing kegels for?
      Ethan

  27. Very interesting article, as someone who just recently took matters into my hands, it’s seems very difficult to find some complete informations not disguised as some ad for some paid stuff I’m not sure to trust.
    As I I’m aware that there is a behavior training to do either, I wanted to start by having a good control on my pc muscle, but the thing I’m wondering and doesn’t seems to be indicated is if, once fully mastered, we still need to stop at the point of no return or with great PC control we should be able to completely block the ejaculation while still going.

    Thanks and great guide

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Kyuubi
      Thanks for your compliment – it’s always good to know the articles are useful! To answer your question, both options are possible. Some men are able to do such a controlled hold they can keep going – supposedly having a dry orgasm. But it’s very difficult to achieve. So in my experience, the most likely thing is that you use it to hold back ejaculation, stop for a while and then carry on. In my experience, if you’re at a point where it really doesn’t matter if you ejaculate or not, it’s fun to experiment and see if you can keep going while doing the hold. But if it does matter, and you really don’t want to ejaculate, it’s better to stop and let yourself cool down.
      All the best
      Ethan

  28. The head of my penis is very sensitive. I ejaculate within a minute.
    Does reverse kegel help? I was just wondering

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Anh
      It could help, but if you’re very sensitive, you might like to try using a desensitizing spray as well?
      Ethan

  29. This is my fourth week and it is working for me , with masturbation I can handle 30 to 20 minutes stoping 2 or 3 times for 30 to 40 seconds . and I just star this week trying hold my no return point ist almost automatic I just think and my pc muscle made The rest ,so just do it for real and you see I also have sensitive glande.

    1. Ethan Green

      Hi Luis
      Thanks for sharing your progress – it’s always helpful to hear from men who have tried the techniques.
      Ethan

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